CWG meeting 2011-11-14

Communication Working Group meeting on 14th October 2011

Attendees

Henk Hoff
Oliver Khun
Richard Weait
Richard Fairhurst
Harry Wood
Jonathan Bennett

Observers invited from #osm:

Topics

FB merge done & Google+ page created (done)
Communicating a fundraising drive
Communicating board face to face meeting
Blog translations
Merging OpenGeoData.org and OSMF blogs
dev/EWG blogging

Actions

Oliver communicate end of year financials
Harry talk to Grant about repositioning blog.osmfoundation.org -> blog.openstreetmap.org and perhaps commence work on mods to the skin
Harry (ongoing) test options for an email subscription wordpress plugin and then talk to Grant about that too
Henk email the Management Team well in advance of wednesday's meeting to ensure it goes to plan.
Henk move himself and Oliver to the right mailing groups
Richard Weait to blog about license changeover

IRC log

(8:59:08 PM) rweait: Hello all. We'll be starting in a moment. For now, some administrivia, would members consider the previous minutes for adoption please? http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/CWG_meeting_2011-11-07
(9:00:17 PM) rweait: Wecome, everybody. ping -b for attendance.
(9:00:32 PM) toffehoff: HI
(9:00:33 PM) JonathanB: Evening
(9:00:36 PM) Oliver_OSMF [~oliverkue@p5B0A3B5D.dip.t-dialin.net] entered the room.
(9:00:37 PM) harry-wood: hello
(9:00:44 PM) Oliver_OSMF: hello
(9:00:44 PM) nutnut is now known as Anonymouse
(9:00:46 PM) Anonymouse: Hi.
(9:01:12 PM) harry-wood: Anonymouse. That's a suspicious name
(9:01:20 PM) rweait: Anybody have any topics to add to the agenda today?
(9:01:21 PM) Anonymouse: Indeed. *squeak*
(9:01:50 PM) RichardF: hello
(9:02:26 PM) rweait: Feel free to speak up with new topics for the agenda.
(9:02:29 PM) harry-wood: We can talk about announcing april 1st license cutover ...unless you're sick of that topic
(9:03:06 PM) rweait: harry-wood: sure, let's put that on the list.
(9:03:17 PM) JonathanB: SotM call?
(9:03:20 PM) Anonymouse: Where's the list? Is it in the channel topic?
(9:03:21 PM) RichardF: blog followup from last time
(9:03:29 PM) Oliver_OSMF: In the newsletter is was mentioned as "proposed date". It was a decision.
(9:03:38 PM) harry-wood: communicating Face2Face stuff is another topic
(9:03:41 PM) harry-wood: follow on from last time
(9:04:05 PM) rweait: Oliver_OSMF: let's discuss it when we discuss it.
(9:04:20 PM) rweait: harry-wood: communicating Face2Face stuff: also on the list.
(9:04:25 PM) harry-wood: There's a management meeting on Wednesday, so think of things you'd like me to feed to/from that group
(9:04:44 PM) rweait: Anything else?
(9:04:59 PM) RichardF: hack weekend comms
(9:05:12 PM) toffehoff: Maybe good to mention why I'm here?
(9:05:19 PM) rweait: We still need propose and second for the previous minutes.
(9:05:29 PM) rweait: Sure, toffehoff, fill us in.
(9:05:31 PM) harry-wood: hi toffehoff: why are you here? :-)
(9:05:49 PM) JonathanB: Not that you're not welcome any time, of course.
(9:05:55 PM) toffehoff: Not sure if you all have discussed the F2F outcome in detail…..
(9:06:17 PM) toffehoff: During F2F talked a bit about goals we wanted to achieve.
(9:06:37 PM) toffehoff: And found out that Oliver and I were more or less on the wrong WG.
(9:06:52 PM) toffehoff: So, we've decided to swap WG's
(9:07:10 PM) toffehoff: Oliver is taking over Local Chapters and I'm going to participate in Comms.
(9:07:22 PM) Oliver_OSMF: I can confirm this.
(9:07:24 PM) toffehoff: Oliver_OSMF: sounds about right?
(9:08:01 PM) toffehoff: So …. unless you all heavily object .....
(9:08:26 PM) harry-wood: Nope. Swapping around a bit. Makes sense if that aligns with your interests more
(9:08:55 PM) toffehoff: That is basically where it comes down to.
(9:09:46 PM) rweait: Okay, so where are we on our tasks from previous meetings. Oliver_OSMF: do you have an update for us before you go :-)
(9:10:32 PM) Oliver_OSMF: Update on anything specific?
(9:10:54 PM) rweait: You have "Communicating financials " from two weeks ago, I think>
(9:10:57 PM) rweait: ?
(9:11:04 PM) chippy left the room (quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer).
(9:11:38 PM) Oliver_OSMF: That is still on my to-do list but should be able to deal with it
(9:11:38 PM) Oliver_OSMF: this week.
(9:12:13 PM) rweait: Excellent. You can let us know when you've posted the details, or ask us to assist in poeting them if you prefer.
(9:12:22 PM) Oliver_OSMF: Sure.
(9:12:41 PM) Oliver_OSMF: Anything else?
(9:12:46 PM) rweait: FB merge, I think we can drop from the list as that completed last week.
(9:13:05 PM) rweait: JonathanB: anyhting interesting re: Fb and G+ ?
(9:13:24 PM) Oliver_OSMF: ok. if this it I will quit now and leave it over to Henk.
(9:13:31 PM) toffehoff left the room (quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer).
(9:13:44 PM) rweait: Hello, "timing" :-)
(9:13:44 PM) toffehoff [~toffehoff@ip212-238-111-132.hotspotsvankpn.com] entered the room.
(9:13:56 PM) JonathanB: OK -- Google+ page was set up during last week's meeting. We have 360 followers, most of whom joined in the first 48 hours.
(9:14:04 PM) rweait: okay, take care Oliver_OSMF
(9:14:16 PM) Oliver_OSMF: Bye, bye.
(9:14:17 PM) Oliver_OSMF left the room (quit: Quit: Talkative IRC).
(9:14:34 PM) JonathanB: Google hasn't yet implemented multiple admins for its pages, so I'm flying solo on that for now. Will admin others as soon as.
(9:15:09 PM) JonathanB: There is however a mechanism for verifying that you're the "official" page using a meta tag in the header of your home page.
(9:15:22 PM) JonathanB: Tom Hughes was kind enough to implement this for us during the week.
(9:15:33 PM) harry-wood: cool
(9:15:36 PM) rweait: JonathanB: do we need to take any action on FB /G+ at the moment or are we pretty much set?
(9:15:57 PM) JonathanB: Just remember they're there and use them as an alternative communication channel
(9:16:06 PM) rweait: And a big thank you to TomH.
(9:16:15 PM) rweait: Thank you JonathanB
(9:16:16 PM) RichardF: +1.
(9:16:34 PM) toffehoff: +1
(9:16:36 PM) rweait: RichardF: you were looking at merging OGD and osmf blog.
(9:16:41 PM) JonathanB: We should ask OWG to give us notice of operational changes whenever they can so we can flag them up on social networking.
(9:16:54 PM) RichardF: rweait: yep. I contacted Steve about OGD (which he owns).
(9:17:06 PM) RichardF: He's happy for it to be merged into one blog with the OSMF blog.
(9:17:31 PM) RichardF: His only request was that we find some way of preserving the old content - both the current posterous archive, and the old.opengeodata.org archive (from WordPress I think).
(9:17:54 PM) toffehoff: wordpress it is.
(9:17:58 PM) toffehoff: (the old).
(9:18:02 PM) RichardF: ok.
(9:18:23 PM) rweait: That sounds reasonable. Any suggestions on method to preserve, and platform for the future blog?
(9:18:30 PM) harry-wood: good that he's happy with the plan
(9:18:47 PM) harry-wood: The OSMF wordpress install is managed by firefishy
(9:18:50 PM) RichardF: I've no preferences. rweait, you probably have more experience with the blogging platform - what would you recommend?
(9:19:20 PM) RichardF: should we just ask Grant to move the OSMF WP install over to blog.openstreetmap.org (say), and we can migrate stuff in there?
(9:19:21 PM) rweait: My first preference is to find someone who cares enough to do it, then support their decisions. :-)
(9:19:25 PM) toffehoff: I know Steve tried to import the old stuff in Posterous. Which did not work ….
(9:19:25 PM) RichardF: :)
(9:19:53 PM) rweait: Right, the preservation is probably a brute force job.
(9:20:02 PM) RichardF: yes, I suspect so. that's not a huge problem.
(9:20:02 PM) JonathanB: wget
(9:20:07 PM) RichardF: exactly :)
(9:20:08 PM) rweait: Then find an equivalent brute force to put it into $NewASystem.
(9:20:45 PM) rweait: Who can we trick into ^W^W^W^W wants to take lead on this?
(9:20:57 PM) harry-wood: should blog.openstreetmap.org be branded as the OSMF blog?
(9:21:04 PM) toffehoff: If it's managed by our admins…. I would suggest to limit the amount of different systems.
(9:21:16 PM) RichardF: harry-wood: It's the OpenStreetMap blog. By definition that's run by OSMF
(9:21:23 PM) rweait: harry-wood: that's a good start.
(9:21:29 PM) rweait: toffehof: +1
(9:21:34 PM) harry-wood: Should it be integrated into the OSMF website
(9:21:35 PM) harry-wood: ?
(9:21:37 PM) RichardF: but it's outward-facing, and most people outside OSM don't care about the difference between Foundation and OSM and so on.
(9:21:55 PM) RichardF: nope - OSM-branded, not OSMF-branded
(9:22:06 PM) RichardF: it can (and should) tell people about the Foundation, sure
(9:22:15 PM) RichardF: but the "product" we are marketing is OSM
(9:22:50 PM) harry-wood: So the wordpress style should probably change to look a bit different again (at the same time as moving to blog.openstreetmap.org)
(9:23:18 PM) RichardF: yep. I'd anticipate there may be some presentation work going on at the hackday weekend, so that might be a time to do some stuff on it - Harry, are you going to be there?
(9:23:32 PM) toffehoff: Talking about systems: you probably have choice between WP and Drupal.
(9:23:43 PM) harry-wood: I'll be there on Saturday yes
(9:23:58 PM) toffehoff: This coming saturday already?
(9:24:17 PM) RichardF: a week on Saturday
(9:24:22 PM) harry-wood: toffehoff only if we're going for a new system rather than just moving domains and restyling the existing wp install
(9:25:05 PM) rweait: Okay, this needs a task and a lead, so we can move on to other old business. Who wants it?
(9:25:15 PM) harry-wood: firefishy may have an opinion on the matter... given that we'll have to ask *him* to do these things
(9:25:27 PM) harry-wood: I can work on this
(9:25:42 PM) rweait: Thank you harry-wood.
(9:25:53 PM) RichardF: yep, thank you. Let me know if there's anything I can do. :)
(9:25:54 PM) harry-wood: (It's usually my job to pester firefishy)
(9:25:57 PM) rweait: RichardF: can harry-wood draw on you if required?
(9:26:02 PM) RichardF: very much so.
(9:26:07 PM) RichardF: well, not in the marker pen sense.
(9:26:11 PM) rweait: excellent.
(9:26:12 PM) harry-wood: hehe
(9:26:20 PM) rweait: "Communicating F2F"
(9:26:39 PM) harry-wood: Mikel blogged
(9:26:41 PM) harry-wood: that was good
(9:26:50 PM) rweait: So we're still waiting on the board for minutes, etc from the F2F, so nothing to communicate yet.
(9:27:11 PM) toffehoff: Just so you all know :
(9:27:33 PM) toffehoff: The whole board will be present during the next Management meeting.
(9:27:45 PM) harry-wood: this wednesday?
(9:27:50 PM) toffehoff: yes.
(9:27:54 PM) harry-wood: That'll be crowded meeting :-O
(9:28:09 PM) ***RichardF wonders when he was told about that ;)
(9:28:22 PM) rweait: So for now, we stand ready to do whatever communicating needs to be done re: F22F.
(9:28:28 PM) toffehoff: To present the outcome and show support to the hard working bunch of people within OSM
(9:28:44 PM) toffehoff: RichardF: has Matt informed you on this?
(9:28:54 PM) RichardF: not sure. I'll check.
(9:29:16 PM) toffehoff: If not: you're kindly invited :-)
(9:29:21 PM) RichardF: :)
(9:29:34 PM) harry-wood: toffehoff can you send out a reminder about it today (nice and far in advance)
(9:29:41 PM) rweait: Next then? "Communicating a fundraising drive" Who followed up with OWG?
(9:29:54 PM) harry-wood: with a link to timeanddate.com to avoid confusion!
(9:29:54 PM) ***JonathanB looks sheepish
(9:30:00 PM) toffehoff: Will to that within an hour after this meeting
(9:30:06 PM) harry-wood: awesome
(9:30:06 PM) toffehoff: :-)
(9:30:15 PM) rweait: Baaaaaad JonathanB?
(9:30:32 PM) rweait: For next meeting perhaps?
(9:30:39 PM) harry-wood: I said I would do it too, but was hoping to see Matt in the pub
(9:30:41 PM) JonathanB: I said I'd talk to them, but haven't -- next week for sure.
(9:31:01 PM) rweait: No problem, we're still on hold on that until MT meeting.
(9:31:05 PM) harry-wood: I also thought there was quite a lot of other stuff going on at the moment. No hurry on OWG bloggage
(9:31:19 PM) harry-wood: but we should aim for prior to hack weekend
(9:31:31 PM) RichardF: that ties in nicely with "hack weekend comms" :)
(9:31:41 PM) rweait: Right.
(9:31:47 PM) harry-wood: Well I was thinking it was the same thing
(9:31:53 PM) harry-wood: or part of the same blog post
(9:32:08 PM) harry-wood: Besides blogging should we aim to promote hack weekend elsewhere?
(9:32:20 PM) harry-wood: Matt's set it up on the usual channels
(9:32:29 PM) toffehoff: btw: when is hackweekend?
(9:32:29 PM) rweait: Perhaps, but for some channels we'll want to talk about the fund raiser even if we don't talk about the hack weekend.]
(9:32:37 PM) harry-wood: 26th & 27th
(9:32:48 PM) harry-wood: (2 weeks time)
(9:32:54 PM) toffehoff: Thanks
(9:33:54 PM) harry-wood: Event listing services are a big headache for me, as the OSMLondon organiser.... because there's too many of them
(9:34:02 PM) rweait: :-(
(9:34:33 PM) harry-wood: Seems like the best approach is carpet bomb them all
(9:34:35 PM) rweait: can we get the hack weekend post sooner, then the fundraising when we get the goahead?
(9:35:29 PM) harry-wood: (maybe we have the go-ahead... need to see the minutes :-) )
(9:35:50 PM) rweait: And we have "blog translations" from last week as well. Which is also on harry-wood's plate.
(9:35:54 PM) rweait: You are overworked.
(9:36:16 PM) harry-wood: yeah, but that's another pestering firefishy job
(9:36:50 PM) harry-wood: Well... I'll run some tests of plugins before pestering him. Will aim to do this some time soon
(9:36:59 PM) rweait: Awesome.
(9:37:24 PM) rweait: Shall we take a quickl break before new business to welcome our observers today?
(9:37:38 PM) harry-wood: yes
(9:37:40 PM) rweait: Folks? Any comments or topics for discussion?
(9:37:45 PM) harry-wood: welcome observers
(9:38:21 PM) harry-wood: mackerski, blackadder, twain47, zvenzzon--, and Anonymouse
(9:38:51 PM) rweait: And we still need a proposal and second on the minutes of last week. http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/CWG_meeting_2011-11-07
(9:38:57 PM) mackerski: harry-wood: Just logged into the channel constantly, I haven't been observing, sorry
(9:38:59 PM) JonathanB: Proposed
(9:39:06 PM) mackerski left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection).
(9:39:16 PM) harry-wood: Seconded
(9:39:21 PM) RichardF: gah! beat me to it
(9:39:22 PM) rweait: Thank you JonathanB, harry-wood.
(9:39:25 PM) mackerski [~dermot@dsl-40-190.dsl.netsource.ie] entered the room.
(9:39:54 PM) mackerski: harry-wood: My client died, but I haven't been observing, just logged in here constantly
(9:39:56 PM) rweait: also on administrivia. Do we need to do anything to add Henk to the communication@ list?
(9:40:19 PM) toffehoff: I can do that myself :-)
(9:40:20 PM) rweait: mackerski: no problem. You're welcome either way.
(9:40:40 PM) harry-wood: henk need to do it himself, but also move Oliver onto the local chapters group list
(9:40:41 PM) rweait: toffehoff: perhaps ask Oliver if he'd like to stay on the list?
(9:41:08 PM) toffehoff: Will check with him.
(9:42:49 PM) rweait: Shall we talk about the 01 April date?
(9:42:55 PM) JonathanB: Sure
(9:42:59 PM) toffehoff: added myself to the mailinglist.
(9:43:07 PM) rweait: harry-wood?
(9:43:24 PM) harry-wood: yes
(9:43:26 PM) harry-wood: so
(9:43:49 PM) harry-wood: I undid the wiki news item that simonpoole added
(9:44:27 PM) harry-wood: partly because it was perhaps not supposed to be announced, partly because a link into minutes was a pants way to announce it
(9:44:35 PM) RichardF: +1
(9:44:46 PM) harry-wood: subsequent email ping-pong was a bit confusing though
(9:44:55 PM) harry-wood: do we want to announce it?
(9:45:08 PM) RichardF: yes, we ought to.
(9:45:22 PM) harry-wood: I had the impress you thought we should hold off rweait ....until we had more plans drawn out?
(9:45:29 PM) JonathanB: We need to establish what "it" is though. A concrete deadline? A goal?
(9:45:57 PM) rweait: harry-wood: I don't want to "scoop" the board if they have plans for a comprehensive announcement.
(9:45:57 PM) RichardF: the board (so I'm told) has said it's a concrete deadline.
(9:46:32 PM) harry-wood: It was mentioned already in Mikel's blog post, but without mentioning the date
(9:46:43 PM) rweait: RichardF: right. Oliver said the same. That's nonsense. it's a target. It's a good one. We'll move it if we have to.
(9:47:12 PM) rweait: To say it is a concrete deadline (in a volunteer project) is silly.
(9:47:20 PM) toffehoff: You may want to check with LWG when and how to announce this….
(9:47:34 PM) rweait: What happens if the switch in on the 2nd? Doooooom!!!
(9:47:49 PM) harry-wood: hehe
(9:48:16 PM) harry-wood: nothing... except it would be a less confusing date because it wouldn't be confused for an April 1st joke
(9:48:20 PM) RichardF: rweait: without wanting to get into the pros and cons of either argument, the board resolved it was a "mandate to move to ODbL by April 1st"
(9:48:23 PM) rweait: Right, so my preference is to wait until we have everything that the board wants to announce from the f2f and do it together.
(9:48:34 PM) RichardF: rweait: I've seen some correspondence go by earlier this evening to that effect
(9:49:31 PM) toffehoff: rweait: we (the board) has put this as more than a "guideline".
(9:49:53 PM) rweait: Right, so what happens on the 2nd?
(9:50:13 PM) rweait: I mean really? It's a good goal. It looks reasonable.
(9:50:36 PM) rweait: Our last target date, we pushed back by a couple of days to complete a backup.
(9:50:48 PM) rweait: So what? What broke because of that?
(9:51:02 PM) toffehoff: We've tried to set something reasonable. But if it for some reason has to delay a couple of days....
(9:51:34 PM) toffehoff: no problem. But if we move it a month (or more)…. That's not the intention.
(9:53:09 PM) rweait: So we were talking about what to announce or not.
(9:53:16 PM) harry-wood: yes. AFAICS the question at hand is... do we need to hold off for more plans to be detailed? or is the (possibly a bit vague) text I was proposing OK for a quick announcement some time around about now?
(9:53:55 PM) rweait: Do we want one announcement for this and another for the rest of F2F info?
(9:54:00 PM) toffehoff: Is the LWG happy with announcing this?
(9:54:16 PM) rweait: toffehoff: it's not LWGs to decide.
(9:54:32 PM) rweait: I mean, it's in the draft minutes....
(9:54:41 PM) harry-wood: luckily Richard and Richard can speak for both the LWG and CWG on the matter :-)
(9:55:02 PM) ***RichardF is mercifully not on LWG ;)
(9:55:11 PM) rweait: I'm sure LWG supports the decision of CWG in this matter. :-(
(9:55:13 PM) rweait: :-)
(9:55:22 PM) rweait: wrong smiley
(9:55:29 PM) toffehoff: But if we're announcing something that is on the turf of another WG, it's good for them to know what's coming....
(9:55:49 PM) rweait: toffehoff: the date didn't come from LWg, it came from board.
(9:56:12 PM) rweait: so, it's CWG or board? What do you want to do. I can be swayed.
(9:56:35 PM) harry-wood: By the way I edited the text to remove the "fed of hearing about..." sentence as we discuss rweait
(9:56:45 PM) rweait: Yeah. :-)
(9:56:55 PM) toffehoff: The board has put a request to the LWG. It's up to the LWG how they handle it.
(9:57:23 PM) toffehoff: If they think it best to hold of for announcement a couple of days, ……
(9:57:24 PM) rweait: now it's a request again?
(9:57:45 PM) toffehoff: you're talking to a non-native english speaker here.....
(9:57:55 PM) rweait: LWG supports the target set by the board. as shown in the draft LWG minutes.
(9:58:18 PM) rweait: There are details to be worked out. And code to be written.
(9:58:38 PM) rweait: But that will run all through the schedule.
(9:58:57 PM) rweait: JonathanB RichardF, thoughts? announce now or later?
(9:59:14 PM) toffehoff: OK. just checking that the LWG is not going wild
(9:59:21 PM) JonathanB: I'd wait until we can make as clear and unambiguous an announcement as possible.
(9:59:22 PM) RichardF: my personal thought is announce now. the longer we leave it, the more someone else will announce it in their own way
(9:59:32 PM) RichardF: ha, that's helped then ;)
(9:59:53 PM) rweait: are we 2-2 with harry to vote? ;-)
(9:59:55 PM) JonathanB: I could have it wrong
(9:59:55 PM) harry-wood: rweait: is there any wording you would change there still? Or perhaps you can word it yourself... but it actually makes most sense for *you* to post it to the blog (or I think maybe it can be edited to not be attributed to a particular author)
(10:00:07 PM) JonathanB: *Are* there any more details to be worked out, really?
(10:00:34 PM) rweait: JonathanB: well jsut all of the details, but the date looks good from here (with no details)
(10:00:37 PM) harry-wood: JonathanB: Well there's things which may effect the date... like coding work needed
(10:01:03 PM) harry-wood: but no reason to expect that this date wouldn't be met
(10:01:23 PM) rweait: okay. harry-wood, okay If I post it with my LWG / CWG hat on?
(10:01:46 PM) rweait: any objections?
(10:01:50 PM) harry-wood: Yeah. It would look a bit odd coming from me (even though I wrote it)
(10:02:09 PM) harry-wood: yeah post it! post it!
(10:02:13 PM) RichardF: go for it
(10:02:18 PM) JonathanB: +!
(10:02:18 PM) toffehoff: no objections from me.
(10:02:23 PM) rweait: So, I'll post this after LWG tomorrow, just in case they want to pretty it up a bit.
(10:02:32 PM) rweait: Next topic?
(10:02:33 PM) toffehoff: :-)
(10:02:43 PM) harry-wood: I even picked some illustrations, but I know you love doing that... so feel free to change them :-)
(10:03:12 PM) rweait: Awesome. I'll have a look.
(10:03:20 PM) rweait: Requests for MT!
(10:03:28 PM) harry-wood: MT?
(10:03:35 PM) blackadder left the room (quit: Quit: heading for the next unmapped place=).
(10:03:35 PM) rweait: Please, all groups think of more things to say to the community.
(10:03:42 PM) harry-wood: oh Management Team
(10:03:43 PM) rweait: managemetn Team
(10:04:02 PM) rweait: Send us your success stories, or post them yourself.
(10:04:10 PM) rweait: anything else?
(10:04:23 PM) RichardF: think about how announcements are made :)
(10:04:34 PM) RichardF: don't just let them creep out in minutes
(10:04:55 PM) toffehoff: RichardF: +1
(10:05:03 PM) rweait: And a general request for all groups to be super prompt with minutes, etc?
(10:05:15 PM) RichardF: yep
(10:05:39 PM) toffehoff: That could be a bit in contradiction with the "how announcements are made"
(10:05:59 PM) RichardF: you can redact things.
(10:06:03 PM) RichardF: that's generally what happens in minutes.
(10:06:14 PM) RichardF: just put "[information embargoed]" or something like that in the minutes.
(10:06:58 PM) toffehoff: Part of " think about how"….
(10:07:23 PM) rweait: SotM call. That's the call for venues?
(10:07:28 PM) JonathanB: Yes
(10:07:48 PM) toffehoff: There is a task with SteveC to get this started....
(10:07:55 PM) toffehoff: (set during F2F)
(10:08:37 PM) JonathanB: I just saw the Portugese get all excited at rweait's housekeeping and thought we should think about it
(10:08:37 PM) rweait: So I guess I jumped the gun on that. I added a blank page to the wiki last week.
(10:08:53 PM) JonathanB: rweait: No, they read a whole barrel load too much into that
(10:09:00 PM) RichardF: no harm done.
(10:09:12 PM) rweait: Nice to have excited applicants.
(10:09:14 PM) JonathanB: There's certainly no harm in them getting their shit together
(10:09:20 PM) toffehoff: Does the CWG want to have a role in this?
(10:09:25 PM) rweait: anything we need to do? Or should we wait for SteveC?
(10:09:44 PM) JonathanB: We should co-ordinate the real announcement across channels.
(10:09:57 PM) JonathanB: But the announcement has to come from elsewhere
(10:09:58 PM) rweait: Previously, I've reposted key items from SotM team
(10:10:28 PM) rweait: As long as they keep us cc;d we can bounce themessage to blogs and social.
(10:10:39 PM) toffehoff: Should the coming SotM team also have a regular CWG liaison ?
(10:10:48 PM) rweait: Do we have a Sotm12 team yet toffehoff?
(10:11:05 PM) rweait: we're running a little over this week. Sorry gang.
(10:11:20 PM) toffehoff: Apart from some of the previous team….. not really. Until the location is chosen.
(10:11:23 PM) RichardF: wouldn't hurt to have a liaison. But I think that the comms work for SotM should be done by the SotM team.
(10:11:35 PM) rweait: toffehoff, I think communication@osmfoundation.org, so any/every one can help.
(10:12:19 PM) rweait: I think the previous method with SOTM controlling their own official channel / site, and us refelcting works well.
(10:12:20 PM) JonathanB: RichardF: I assume you mean the eventual event team -- this is more about the contest to host it
(10:12:32 PM) rweait: does sotm team need quicker response, or anything else?
(10:12:42 PM) RichardF: oh, sorry, I thought the "coming SotM team" referred to the team for the coming event :)
(10:12:57 PM) toffehoff: rweait: what do you mean?
(10:13:28 PM) rweait: toffehoff, will you be on sotm12 team?
(10:13:49 PM) toffehoff: I very likely will be. Very likely not in a leading role.
(10:14:12 PM) rweait: did sotm11 team get everything it needed from CWG?
(10:14:54 PM) toffehoff: There was not a real expectation there. So for that perspective: yes.
(10:15:17 PM) rweait: What can CWG do to be even better this year for Sotm12 team?
(10:15:18 PM) toffehoff: Since we now have a working CWG, thinks may work different this coming year.
(10:15:44 PM) rweait: and since youa re on both ...:-)
(10:15:52 PM) harry-wood: As I see it, CWG is on hand to help any other WG
(10:16:01 PM) toffehoff: I think (depends on the final team) to have some dedicated for comms would be a plus.
(10:16:04 PM) harry-wood: we're also here to nag WGs who aren't communicating
(10:16:22 PM) toffehoff: Like: do we have a press-list?
(10:16:37 PM) harry-wood: We do have a press list!
(10:16:44 PM) harry-wood: ...with zero entries so far :-(
(10:16:52 PM) toffehoff: Great!
(10:16:55 PM) toffehoff: oh….
(10:17:47 PM) harry-wood: I shall email the the link anyway
(10:17:52 PM) toffehoff: I might help that we have a list of all kinds of press we could contact with press-releases and such...
(10:17:58 PM) rweait: okay shall we do same time next week? 2100UTC?
(10:18:08 PM) harry-wood: yes.
(10:18:16 PM) toffehoff: ok
(10:18:23 PM) harry-wood: put press list fiddling on the agenda for next time
(10:18:30 PM) rweait: We're fairly late now. Any other topics we need to cover?
(10:18:31 PM) toffehoff: thanks.
(10:18:31 PM) RichardF: good with me :)
(10:18:58 PM) harry-wood: reminder of the priorities for the coming week?
(10:19:06 PM) harry-wood: F2F minutes!
(10:19:22 PM) rweait: MT : everybody talk to CWG!
(10:19:40 PM) harry-wood: yes
(10:19:59 PM) rweait: post date after checking with LWG
(10:20:17 PM) rweait: Hah1
(10:20:23 PM) rweait: see the weekly summary?
(10:20:23 PM) toffehoff: :-)
(10:20:26 PM) rweait: "The OSMF board suggested April 1st, 2012 for phase 5 of the OSM license change."
(10:20:49 PM) RichardF: that might have provoked the comments referenced earlier by the board ;)
(10:21:26 PM) toffehoff: I think I have to agree with RichardF :-)
(10:21:52 PM) rweait: Really, what did the board say?
(10:22:03 PM) rweait: (aren't you two the board)?
(10:22:17 PM) toffehoff: … that is wasn't a "suggestion".
(10:22:41 PM) RichardF: a prominent member of the board expressed some surprise at the notion that this might be a "fucking suggestion"
(10:23:06 PM) RichardF: I think the general fucking consensus was that no fucking way was it a fucking suggestion
(10:23:10 PM) RichardF: but I might have misunderstood.
(10:24:04 PM) rweait: okay, are we done for today?
(10:24:06 PM) harry-wood: Well it will transition from being a much discussed suggestion of suggestion ... into a shiney new blog post ...soon
(10:24:10 PM) toffehoff: …. and on that bombshell....
(10:24:13 PM) RichardF: yay!
(10:24:26 PM) harry-wood: marvelous!
(10:24:31 PM) rweait: have a good week all. Enjoy your suggestions.
(10:24:33 PM) harry-wood: See you next time then
(10:24:39 PM) RichardF: see you next time :)
(10:24:40 PM) toffehoff: Thanks all!
(10:24:50 PM) JonathanB: Byeeee!
(10:24:55 PM) RichardF: thank you rweait for ably guiding us through the meeting!
(10:25:02 PM) toffehoff: +1
(10:25:09 PM) rweait: I'm off my game, we went way overtime. :-)
(10:25:25 PM) ***JonathanB is off to find food
(10:25:39 PM) toffehoff: An hour was a suggested time, wasn't it?
(10:25:47 PM) rweait: yup/
(10:26:30 PM) RichardF: very droll ;)